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From: Julien Rabin ()
Date: May 17, 2008
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain
Le 17 mai 08 à 12:35, Peter Castine a écrit :

> This is definitely one of the big hurdles for beginners, and the  
> most common mistake I see are messages written inside object boxes  
> & vice versa. You can explain the difference until you're blue in  
> the face, but people just need time to absorb it. For some people  
> it takes a _lot_ of time.

Sure. However, this problem is not because of the GUI, does it ? I  
feel that for a beginner it's just hard to get when/why they need a  
message sent to an object or an object result sent to another object.  
Thus I'm not sure making the GUI more distinctive will solve the  
problem. It won't hurt though, so it's still a good thing. That said,  
maybe I'm just biased by my personal experience - my Max teaching  
experience being surely yet limited.

> No one is complaining about the change from two thin lines top/ 
> bottom to a colored 3-pixel frame all around.

Actually, if I were to complain, that would about this. I'm not that  
much bothered with round corners. However, I got the feeling that the  
colored/borderless frame make the so-called blurry effect more  
annoying than it is. Maybe if it was thinner readability would be  
improved ? Just wondering, I just spend couple of minutes here and  
then on Max 5 so I'll see how I deal with this when I make some  
serious patching when I have some free time.

Best,
Juilen
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+ Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain gavin Peters (05/13/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eli Stine (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eli Stine (05/13/08)
+------------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+--------------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Anthony Palomba (05/13/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Chris Muir (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Kasper T Toeplitz (05/13/08)
+------------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Zicarelli (05/13/08)
+--------------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+------------------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Andrew Benson (05/13/08)
+------------------Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Wallace Winfrey (05/13/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Trond Lossius (05/14/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/14/08)
+---------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/14/08)
+---------Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Wallace Winfrey (05/13/08)
+------------Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Pierre Alexandre Tremblay (05/13/08)
+--------------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Matthew Aidekman (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain gavin Peters (05/14/08)
+---Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Trond Lossius (05/13/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Zicarelli (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+------------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Ostry (05/14/08)
+--------------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eli Stine (05/14/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/15/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Chris Muir (05/15/08)
+------------------------ Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eryck Abecassis (05/15/08)
+--------------------------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Matthew Aidekman (05/15/08)
+------------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Emmanuel Jourdan (05/15/08)
+--------------------------------- Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Matthew Aidekman (05/15/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/16/08)
+------------------------ Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Castine (05/17/08)
+--------------------------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eryck Abecassis (05/17/08)
+---------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Julien Rabin (05/17/08)
+---------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/17/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Julien Rabin (05/16/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain joachim montessuis (05/17/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/15/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/16/08)
+--------------------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/16/08)
+------------------------ Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Adam Barnett (05/16/08)
+------------------------ Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Zicarelli (05/16/08)
+--------------------------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Ostry (05/16/08)
+---------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/18/08)
+------------------------------ Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Huff (05/18/08)
+------------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Kasper T Toeplitz (05/19/08)
+------------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/19/08)
+--------------------------------- Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Ostry (05/19/08)
+------------------------------------ Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/19/08)
+------------------------------------ Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/19/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain marcos (05/13/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain mdk (05/13/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Nicholas C. Raftis III (05/13/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Leo Mayberry (05/14/08)
+------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Todor Todoroff (05/14/08)
+---------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Emmanuel Jourdan (05/14/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Bas van der Graaff (05/14/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Blake Shaw (05/14/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain alain (05/16/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Lut Lei (05/16/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/16/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Lut Lei (05/16/08)
+---Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Morgan Sutherland (05/17/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/18/08)
+------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/20/08)
+--------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/20/08)
+------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/21/08)
+---------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Brad Garton (05/21/08)
+------------------ Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/21/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/21/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/22/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain alain (05/19/08)
+---Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Morgan Sutherland (05/19/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain vade (05/19/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Ostry (05/19/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Robert Henke (05/20/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Leo Mayberry (05/20/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain joachim montessuis (05/20/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Robert Henke (05/20/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Nicholas C. Raftis III (05/20/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Zicarelli (05/20/08)
+---------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Julien Rabin (05/20/08)

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