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From: f.e ()
Date: May 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain
Chris,

Thanks for your answer.

Chris Muir a écrit :
> 
> You're at least wrong in the way you're going about addressing your 
> issues with Max 5. You mention a "no rounded corners" request, but what 
> I read was much closer to a "no rounded corners" DEMAND. I think the way 
> you've been expressing your opinion is detrimental to your cause. I 
> think that with each successive rant, the desire to do anything to 
> accommodate your wishes goes down, at least I know it would have if the 
> rants had been directed at me.

I always made this as a request, since the first picture of max 5 
appeared on the web. Undeniably angry, yes, but asking. Nobody took this 
serisously. Of course c74 were busy with bigger problems i certainly 
understand. But i hope they didn't add a "roundness $1" because it was 
hard to do, not because they looked down upon such a request (they never 
did before so i wonder why they could start).

It was not a weirdo request, it was the first one which came in mind of 
lots of maxers around here. As i know i'm not the only one, i'm still 
amazed how easy can people toe the line, in general. Because it seemed 
so natural this thing should be done, i could have been singing some 
very angry Violent Femmes song but i doubt i behave as an asshole.

I know that now, obviously, a "roudness $1" won't appear in 5.0.3, 
because you may have felt me as a pushy punk, but this is a very 
misunderstanding.

Don't forget that mails, and text messages in general, are far to be 
reliable in terms of expressing the full range of feelings and the very 
mind of their authors, especially in a foreign language. So, my 
apologies if i bothered anybody around here, but these nasty 
suppositories you call object boxes went right into my ass.

Max is one of the only software i know that IS your final product. I 
mean, you use any other software to do something with (photoshop, msvc. 
etc.) and you can forget it because your result will be something else. 
But max stays in your result. The way it looks is not really something 
to take funny.

> 
> Because of all the things you hate about Max 5, you've threatened to use 
> something else, like PD. Maybe at this point maybe you should get 
> serious about that. I feel bad about suggesting that because you've been 
> helpful to people here in the past, but your "sad and angry choir" has 
> gotten tedious. Either find a way to come to terms with Max 5, or move 
> on. Everyone on the list probably knows what changes you would like to 
> see in Max, by now, but I don't think the "sad and angry choir" approach 
> is getting you any closer to them.
> 
> -C

That's not fair and you already know that. I won't stop using Max 
because i simply cannot. It has no competitors and i'm stuck with it. 
Just picture my "sad and angry choir" if i went using pD :-) So it's not 
right to say take it or leave it because there's no way to leave it.

I hope to like max 5 the other way than a 12 years old indian girl does 
to love the husband she's forced to get married with.

I made peace with max 5 as i already told you.

Best wishes

f.e


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+ Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain gavin Peters (05/13/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eli Stine (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eli Stine (05/13/08)
+------------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+--------------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Anthony Palomba (05/13/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Chris Muir (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Kasper T Toeplitz (05/13/08)
+------------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Zicarelli (05/13/08)
+--------------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+------------------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Andrew Benson (05/13/08)
+------------------Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Wallace Winfrey (05/13/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Trond Lossius (05/14/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/14/08)
+---------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/14/08)
+---------Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Wallace Winfrey (05/13/08)
+------------Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Pierre Alexandre Tremblay (05/13/08)
+--------------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Matthew Aidekman (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain gavin Peters (05/14/08)
+---Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Trond Lossius (05/13/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Zicarelli (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+------------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Ostry (05/14/08)
+--------------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eli Stine (05/14/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/15/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Chris Muir (05/15/08)
+------------------------ Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eryck Abecassis (05/15/08)
+--------------------------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Matthew Aidekman (05/15/08)
+------------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Emmanuel Jourdan (05/15/08)
+--------------------------------- Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Matthew Aidekman (05/15/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/16/08)
+------------------------ Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Castine (05/17/08)
+--------------------------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eryck Abecassis (05/17/08)
+---------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Julien Rabin (05/17/08)
+---------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/17/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Julien Rabin (05/16/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain joachim montessuis (05/17/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/15/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/16/08)
+--------------------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/16/08)
+------------------------ Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Adam Barnett (05/16/08)
+------------------------ Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Zicarelli (05/16/08)
+--------------------------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Ostry (05/16/08)
+---------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/18/08)
+------------------------------ Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Huff (05/18/08)
+------------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Kasper T Toeplitz (05/19/08)
+------------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/19/08)
+--------------------------------- Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Ostry (05/19/08)
+------------------------------------ Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/19/08)
+------------------------------------ Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/19/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain marcos (05/13/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain mdk (05/13/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Nicholas C. Raftis III (05/13/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Leo Mayberry (05/14/08)
+------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Todor Todoroff (05/14/08)
+---------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Emmanuel Jourdan (05/14/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Bas van der Graaff (05/14/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Blake Shaw (05/14/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain alain (05/16/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Lut Lei (05/16/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/16/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Lut Lei (05/16/08)
+---Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Morgan Sutherland (05/17/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/18/08)
+------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/20/08)
+--------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/20/08)
+------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/21/08)
+---------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Brad Garton (05/21/08)
+------------------ Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/21/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/21/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/22/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain alain (05/19/08)
+---Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Morgan Sutherland (05/19/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain vade (05/19/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Ostry (05/19/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Robert Henke (05/20/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Leo Mayberry (05/20/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain joachim montessuis (05/20/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Robert Henke (05/20/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Nicholas C. Raftis III (05/20/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Zicarelli (05/20/08)
+---------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Julien Rabin (05/20/08)

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