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From: Trond Lossius ()
Date: May 14, 2008
Subject: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain
Hi Enola,

I guess I'm less concerned about suboptimal antialasing that you, but I 
see that you have a point.

Reading the outline by David Z. on some of the core decisions behind the 
development of Max5, it's fairly obvious that Juce is here to stay for 
quite a while:

http://www.cycling74.com/story/2007/9/28/105551/882

So if you want to pick the fights you can win, I would suggest that you 
contact the developer of Juce directly, and point these issues out to 
him. If that leads to improved antialiasing in Juce, it will probably 
eventually make its way into Max as well.

Best,
Trond




Enola wrote:
> I've made a comparison PNG of Verdana 10 between MS and JUCE.
> Note the following:
> 
> - Proper text rendering is consistent. The L's in Microsoft 'lll' are antialiased identically. JUCE L's are blowing in the wind.
> - The emphasis of the center point of JUCE L's is not consistent; JUCE's first 'l' is closer to the b, while the other two l's are further right-centered on a subpixel level.
> - The bridge of MS 'e' is not destroyed. JUCE destroys the e and turns it into gray mud. I can't even make out the bridge, just mush.
> - Microsoft 'l's are indeed not a single pixel, and use padding on each side like JUCE. However, MS does it crisply and cleanly at any size.
> - JUCE has garbage pixels underneath the e's, b's, p's, and d's. JUCE's method doesn't take into consideration that in a font context, certain curve antialiasing creates noise. It just dumbly renders it as if it were graphics.
> 
> - Enola
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+ Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain gavin Peters (05/13/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eli Stine (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eli Stine (05/13/08)
+------------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+--------------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Anthony Palomba (05/13/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Chris Muir (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Kasper T Toeplitz (05/13/08)
+------------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Zicarelli (05/13/08)
+--------------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+------------------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Andrew Benson (05/13/08)
+------------------Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Wallace Winfrey (05/13/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Trond Lossius (05/14/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/14/08)
+---------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/14/08)
+---------Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Wallace Winfrey (05/13/08)
+------------Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Pierre Alexandre Tremblay (05/13/08)
+--------------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Matthew Aidekman (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain gavin Peters (05/14/08)
+---Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Trond Lossius (05/13/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Zicarelli (05/13/08)
+--------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/13/08)
+------------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Ostry (05/14/08)
+--------------- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eli Stine (05/14/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/15/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Chris Muir (05/15/08)
+------------------------ Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eryck Abecassis (05/15/08)
+--------------------------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Matthew Aidekman (05/15/08)
+------------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Emmanuel Jourdan (05/15/08)
+--------------------------------- Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Matthew Aidekman (05/15/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/16/08)
+------------------------ Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Castine (05/17/08)
+--------------------------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Eryck Abecassis (05/17/08)
+---------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Julien Rabin (05/17/08)
+---------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/17/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Julien Rabin (05/16/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain joachim montessuis (05/17/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/15/08)
+------------------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/16/08)
+--------------------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/16/08)
+------------------------ Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Adam Barnett (05/16/08)
+------------------------ Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Zicarelli (05/16/08)
+--------------------------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Ostry (05/16/08)
+---------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/18/08)
+------------------------------ Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Huff (05/18/08)
+------------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Kasper T Toeplitz (05/19/08)
+------------------------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/19/08)
+--------------------------------- Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Ostry (05/19/08)
+------------------------------------ Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/19/08)
+------------------------------------ Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/19/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain marcos (05/13/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain mdk (05/13/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Nicholas C. Raftis III (05/13/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Leo Mayberry (05/14/08)
+------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Todor Todoroff (05/14/08)
+---------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Emmanuel Jourdan (05/14/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Bas van der Graaff (05/14/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Blake Shaw (05/14/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain alain (05/16/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Lut Lei (05/16/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Enola (05/16/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Lut Lei (05/16/08)
+---Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Morgan Sutherland (05/17/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/18/08)
+------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/20/08)
+--------- Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/20/08)
+------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/21/08)
+---------------Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Brad Garton (05/21/08)
+------------------ Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Charles Baker (05/21/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain f.e (05/21/08)
+---------------------Re: Re: Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Stefan Tiedje (05/22/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain alain (05/19/08)
+---Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Morgan Sutherland (05/19/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain vade (05/19/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Peter Ostry (05/19/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Robert Henke (05/20/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Leo Mayberry (05/20/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain joachim montessuis (05/20/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Robert Henke (05/20/08)
+--- Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Nicholas C. Raftis III (05/20/08)
+------ Re: Max5 == Physical Pain David Zicarelli (05/20/08)
+---------Re: Re: Max5 == Physical Pain Julien Rabin (05/20/08)

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