From: Katharine Norman ()
Date: May 18, 2008
Subject:
Re: Objectivity (Was maybe we can discuss the definition of)
on 17/05/2008 11:31 PM Michael Gogins wrote:
> I mean objective as in "really real" and "normative."
> That is, it is subjective, but it transcends my personal subjectivity and
> enters into the realm of inter-subjectivity,
hi Mike - but that's exactly what I was (in my initial rambling
response) referring to, also. It seems we agree. I think these notions
are again quite fashionable in some circles: the 'objective' reality as
something we can only access (and articulate) through perception and
'speculation' (ie intersubjectivity or a kind) is prevalent in (my
admittedly early-stage reading around) critical realism, eg.
When we ask what is 'good music' - or at least when I do, if I did -
it's an attempt at a question on 'truth', right? - Is it 'true' ('real')
that piece A is good music? My sense is that, as you say, speculation
(intersubjectivity) is a realm that question visits. So looks like we're
juggling back and forth together.
Though I'm not sure I buy the thinking that if you gather enough
subjective speculation, an objective 'truth' emerges:
http://www.gwap.com (sadly the 'good music' game is nearly always jammed
with too many users....I guess it's too good to be true!)
best,
Katharine
> the divine, or what have you. I
> am quite aware that these notions are not fashionable but that is not how I
> decide what is true or false.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eldad Tsabary"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Objectivity (Was maybe we can discuss the definition of)
>
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>
>> Hello Mike,
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>>
>> Michael Gogins wrote:
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>>> What exactly is a "sharp sense of the real" in this context?
>>>
>>> Anyway, the implication is that your personal enjoyment of music is an
>>> enjoyment of the play of chance and force. Do you similarly enjoy the
>>> place of chance and force in other parts of life, such as personal
>>> relations?
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The idea of an objectively good music is just as problematic. Would you
>> similarly accept the idea of an objectively good religious belief? or an
>> objectively good political thought?
>> Eldad
>>
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